Okay, let me say one thing , first I don't feel like a six year old. I said you are treating us that way, their is a differance. Second thing,yes the purpose is to investigate the light. Third is most people go old 45, which in the distance you CAN see car lights, but when I was up there we got directions to go to Robbins Pond Rd which is further south from old 45, it's immediately after Sucker Lake/Bass Lake Rd hang a left and go down to the barracade, so thats two places I know people are going to. The third possible site is Forrest Rd #5230 or 5210, I havn't confirmed that one yet. I totally agree with you that some decent video needs to be taken by someone soon or all this talk on this forum will be for nothing. Anyways, a quick description of our experience, one single bright light that appeared in the distance and then got came down he road and lit up the whole area and scared the heck out of everyone there, three or four red lights sort of dancing along the treetops. At one point we observed the light for 23 minutes. So I think it is a phenomenom that really needs to be further studied. I'll be looking forward to some NEW video on youtube real soon. I hope I answered some of your questions. Unfortunately I can't get up here for awhile, but I do enjoy reading these postings.
I have a question for Rick, he has stated that "WE have a barracade up" and that "WE took the sign down". Who are the WE you are talking about, i think some of US would like to know. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but you sound like someone of authority up there. So what do you say, can you tell us.
Phil, no i do not know of any videos that exist like the experience i had. In fact I only recall reading maybe one other persons experience that was close to mine so the odds of having a vid like that out there are probably small. I am a firm believer that each experience is different depending on the situation (number of viewers and their actions and volume, etc) and the presence of a video camera may be one of those things that makes the experiences less dramatic. We have all read the stories of the rapid battery drains by people with cameras and camcorders so maybe there is something to it. I personally do not care if i have video evidence because what i see is what matters to me and i dont bring any equipment along just in case it might detract from the experience. As you can see video evidence of a light is very subjective anyway so there is likely never going to be a video that will make people understand. It is much like a bigfoot video where if it is unclear people say that it is unclear and if it is clear people say it must be a fake. It is always too dark, or hard to prove its not doctored, or any number of variables that cannot be accounted for.
As far as your comment on the movie "Both of these videos are obviously just cameras zooming in and out on the headlights of a car" I could not disagree with you more. Perhaps because i have actually seen these things and can relate personally that I would bet every dollar i have ever made and every one i ever will that the bright light you see in the link i put up is no d**n car light. I think you can clearly see from the video I posted that it was not a zoom effect by paying attention to the trees and power poles on the side as reference that there was no significant zooming causing the light to grow in size. To make the light grow to the size it did you would have to zoom in to the point you would not even see the trees and poles on the sides and they would be coming out of view and back in as the light changed sizes. Even from the audio on the movie you can hear him say he has it at 2x zoom and my guess is there was some kind of miscommunication between you and the guy who took the film. Perhaps you were referring to the other video where he is obviously doing some major zooming in but for the most part the other video is a waste of time to watch but i honestly do not see how you could surmise that was a car either. Keep in mind you dont always see the same thing as you could see the differences in the two videos from the same viewing area. If you pay attention to the poles and trees and see how the light intensifies and grows and you still think that can be from a car 5-6 miles away then i guess we have to agree to disagree until you happen to see it for yourself because i have seen it in person. The two people that were with me refuse to ever go back and dont even want to hear or think about what they saw because it scares them. I on the other hand cannot stop thinking and talking about it after many years.
Thanks for the info, then your obviously very familar with the area. I found this line on (www essortment.com) about the paulding light "The Michigan Forest Service has placed signs around the area to direct spectators to the best viewing spots. Robins Pond Road is four miles north Watersmeet off U.S. 45 south of Paulding. The lights can be seen all year around." If any of this is true then their is more than one sign out in the woods at differant locations, if it's not true then it's more disinformation. So was their ever more than the one sign and isn't it quite possible that people are going to various locations, you know a dirt road in woods with power lines on the right could be a common thing. What's your opinion on this.
Distiller - thanks for the info. I would recommend that you email Robert Wiegert and ask him exactly what he observed and what he was doing when he shot the video and what "special effects" he used, if any (let's not forget he was making a fictional movie after all). I agree that the trees and powerpoles remain stationary in the clip. I have always suspected that Wiegert artificially made the light grow big for the purposes of his movie scene, and when he told me that he zoomed in on it, I interpreted that as confirmation. Another thing we should take note of is that the trees and powerpoles go through different levels of blurriness throughout the clip. Screwing around with the blurriness can make a light source look different in many ways, including its perceived size.
I'm definitely not calling you a liar when you talk about your experiences. The main reason I'm interested in the Light is because I've heard enough things from enough sane people to I wonder if maybe something really is going on there. But your claim that the presence of video cameras may detract from the Light's "performance" reminds me of something. Con-artists on tv say they can read minds, bend sthingys, etc. but when they are subjected to a scientifically controlled test of their "abilities", they say the presence of skeptics in the room magically reduces their supernatural powers. It's just too convenient of an excuse.
For me personally I hope there is a REAL Light and I hope to witness it for myself, but I take pride on being a person who doesn't believe in something until I have a good reason to.
I know what you are saying about the skeptics in the room thing. Like i said, i have no idea why some people seem to see it fairly regulary and some never do so your guess is as good as mine. All i can say is that when i have seen extraordinary things at the light there were common variables which were 1) we had the only vehicle there 2) we were being fairly silent and 3) no recording devices with us. At the same time it seems like there are many stories of battery drains of recording equipment and very little good video evidence. Since I do not understand exactly what is going on there I choose to not play with the variables that have been successful for me. When i plan a trip i go after 11pm on a weeknight when it is usually deserted. If i lived closer i would definitely bring a camcorder along but since i get there infrequently I choose to not to mess with my chances.
As far as the movie that they made and whether they messed with that portion all i can say is i have seen the EXACT same thing a few times with my own eyes. So for me it is not even a question of its validity. If you could stand to watch this whole movie (which i did regretting it greatly after) you can probably get the sense that they were not much into special effects or good writing, or good acting, or basically anything remotely original so i think you are giving them too much credit. This really is not something you can solve by research without first seeing it yourself. If you do go, i wish you good luck. If you dont at least see what you saw in the video you have not seen anything yet so keep trying. I have said before that I do not think it is paranormal but who knows. I think it has a scientific explanation. I do get annoyed when every couple weeks some genius drops in (not you) and proclaims to have gone there and solved it in 20 minutes as being car lights and basically says we are all retarded. When the truth is that is all he saw were the lights that are probably from cars because if he saw the real thing he would not be mistaken.
I have to admit that I have only been up to Paulding once. I know I was in the right place because it is the same place that is shown on the youtube videos and I was there with my friend Phil, yes the same one who started this post. (Hey, Phil. How's the UP atm?). What I saw that night was headlights. I know it was. From reading alot of the posts on this page, seeing something different would be very intersting, but what is shown on the youtube videos is not anything that cannot be explained by physics. I should know, I teach physics. The most impressive videos are the ones where the light gets really big and seemes to glow and even flicker a little. I see how someone without a knowledge of optics could be anazed by the light, but I want to point out something about those videos: Notice how the image is blurry, like it is foggy. If this is so, light which usually travels in a straight line (yes, it diffracts and is influenced by gravitational forces) can bounce off the water and dust particles in the air and appear to come from a large source and even appear to come from a closer source. This is similar to why the shy is blue. Also, the flickering can be caused by refraction; light moving thorough different densities of air. You can see the same thing when you look at the stars in the sky. Stars do not really twinkle, but the light from them bends as is moves through the different layers of our atmosphere.
So, I have only seen car headlights, and what I have seen on youtube videos, can all be car headlights. As Phil sais, I hope to someday see something different.